UPC barcode, 666, George Joseph Laurer

Post by banana
OK so the three 'guard bars' on the standard UPC barcode don't
straightforwardly 'say' '666'. It's simply that if a human being wanted
to read them as a number, '666' would be the reasonable one to choose.
(The only digit that includes the guard-bar pattern is '6'. If you
wanted to code '666' into the code, you'd be hard pushed to find a
neater way of doing it).
But you gotta admit, it's kind of noteworthy that the guy who came up
with the code is called George Joseph Laurer.

http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html

Post by banana
So that's him and Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Ronald (6) Wilson (6) Reagan (6)

If you take the letters R and E from red and add them to the letters A G O
and N from dragon you have a possible spelling for Reagan. Red Dragon is a
Biblical name for the Anti-Christ. (Rev 12:3)

However he was given an Honorary Doctorate of Laws, Pepperdine College,
1970.

Making him "Dr Reagan" - almost an anagram of Red Dragon.

The fun you can have with anagrams...Dr Ronald Wilson Reagan becomes Red
Dragon Son in Law (r)

anything else?

2004-07-03 15:13:51 UTC

http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html

Post by banana
So that's him and Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Ronald (6) Wilson (6) Reagan (6)
If you take the letters R and E from red and add them to the letters A G O
and N from dragon you have a possible spelling for Reagan. Red Dragon is a
Biblical name for the Anti-Christ. (Rev 12:3)
However he was given an Honorary Doctorate of Laws, Pepperdine College,
1970.
Making him "Dr Reagan" - almost an anagram of Red Dragon.
The fun you can have with anagrams...Dr Ronald Wilson Reagan becomes Red
Dragon Son in Law (r)

His son in law is Dennis (6) Revell (6) anyone know his middle name?

2004-07-03 15:14:31 UTC

http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html

Post by banana
So that's him and Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Ronald (6) Wilson (6) Reagan (6)
If you take the letters R and E from red and add them to the letters A G O
and N from dragon you have a possible spelling for Reagan. Red Dragon

Post by Oo
a

Post by Oo
Biblical name for the Anti-Christ. (Rev 12:3)
However he was given an Honorary Doctorate of Laws, Pepperdine College,
1970.
Making him "Dr Reagan" - almost an anagram of Red Dragon.
The fun you can have with anagrams...Dr Ronald Wilson Reagan becomes Red
Dragon Son in Law (r)

His son in law is Dennis (6) Revell (6) anyone know his middle name?

a.. Reagan's house number was 666 before Nancy had it changed to 668.

a.. Reagan was shot and wounded and recovered from the wound. (Rev 13:3).

a.. On election day of 1980, 666 was the winning lottery number in both New
Jersey and Maryland.

a.. In 1984 on the Saturday after his re-election 666 was again the winning
lottery number in Maryland. It was sold out making it the number with the
most winners until that point in time.

a.. In his first speech as President Reagan mentioned the number 666 as the
cost in dollars that was added to new cars by government regulations.

a.. Reagan's first budget predicted 666 billion dollars in government
revenues.

a.. Reagan's re-election campaign cost 66.6 million dollars.

a.. Reagan's first primary victory in the California Governors race came in
6/66

a.. July 6, 1999 California votes to produce Reagan license plates in a 66
to 6 vote.

a.. Reagan's first film was the 666th film released by Hollywood.

a.. His adopted son was rumored to have been born on a 6/6 at 6 am.

a.. In the film "Knute Rockne All American" he played one of The Four
Horsemen. (Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?)

a.. One anagram for Ronald Wilson Reagan is "Insane Anglo Warlord."

a.. Another anagram for Ronald Wilson Reagan is "I ran old war on Angels."

banana

2004-07-03 16:00:28 UTC

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Post by Oo
a.. Reagan's house number was 666 before Nancy had it changed to 668.
a.. Reagan was shot and wounded and recovered from the wound. (Rev 13:3).
a.. On election day of 1980, 666 was the winning lottery number in both New
Jersey and Maryland.
a.. In 1984 on the Saturday after his re-election 666 was again the winning
lottery number in Maryland. It was sold out making it the number with the
most winners until that point in time.
a.. In his first speech as President Reagan mentioned the number 666 as the
cost in dollars that was added to new cars by government regulations.
a.. Reagan's first budget predicted 666 billion dollars in government
revenues.
a.. Reagan's re-election campaign cost 66.6 million dollars.
a.. Reagan's first primary victory in the California Governors race came in
6/66
a.. July 6, 1999 California votes to produce Reagan license plates in a 66
to 6 vote.
a.. Reagan's first film was the 666th film released by Hollywood.
a.. His adopted son was rumored to have been born on a 6/6 at 6 am.
a.. In the film "Knute Rockne All American" he played one of The Four
Horsemen. (Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?)
a.. One anagram for Ronald Wilson Reagan is "Insane Anglo Warlord."
a.. Another anagram for Ronald Wilson Reagan is "I ran old war on Angels."

A friend tells me that LSD was banned in the UK on 6 June 1966. I trust
what he says, but haven't checked whether the order was made on that
day, or came into force, or perhaps both.

The legal instrument was the Drugs (Prevention of Misuse) Act
Modification Order 1966, which modified the Drugs (Prevention of Misuse)
Act 1964.

Have asked on uk.politics.drugs and uk.legal.

trevjon

2004-07-03 18:36:53 UTC

Post by banana
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Post by Oo
a.. Reagan's house number was 666 before Nancy had it changed to 668.
a.. Reagan was shot and wounded and recovered from the wound. (Rev 13:3).

What Revelations 13:3 actually says is "13:3 One of his heads looked like
it had been wounded fatally. His fatal wound was healed, and the whole earth
marvelled at the beast"

Reagan was hit in the chest area, not his head.

Do you actually believe in what is written in Revelations (I'm assuming you
must, or otherwise why post it here), and all this 666 nonsense?

2004-07-03 18:54:13 UTC

Post by banana
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Post by Oo
a.. Reagan's house number was 666 before Nancy had it changed to 668.
a.. Reagan was shot and wounded and recovered from the wound. (Rev

13:3).
What Revelations 13:3 actually says is "13:3 One of his heads looked like
it had been wounded fatally. His fatal wound was healed, and the whole earth
marvelled at the beast"
Reagan was hit in the chest area, not his head.
Do you actually believe in what is written in Revelations (I'm assuming you
must, or otherwise why post it here), and all this 666 nonsense?

But the soul that doeth aught presumptuously, whether he be born in the
land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the Lord; and that soul shall be
cut off from among his people.

banana

2004-07-03 20:42:31 UTC

Post by banana
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Post by Oo
a.. Reagan's house number was 666 before Nancy had it changed to 668.
a.. Reagan was shot and wounded and recovered from the wound. (Rev

13:3).
What Revelations 13:3 actually says is "13:3 One of his heads looked

Post by Oo
it had been wounded fatally. His fatal wound was healed, and the whole

earth

Post by Oo
marvelled at the beast"
Reagan was hit in the chest area, not his head.
Do you actually believe in what is written in Revelations (I'm assuming

you

Post by Oo
must, or otherwise why post it here), and all this 666 nonsense?

But the soul that doeth aught presumptuously, whether he be born in the
land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the Lord; and that soul shall be
cut off from among his people.

Ouch! :-)

I know little about 'Revelations'. I've read it, but couldn't keep up in
a discussion of details in it. I'd agree with Isaac Newton, John Napier,
and many others, that it can be usefully studied. I know sufficient
though to state that the idea that the number refers to Nero Caesar and
only to Nero Caesar is complete hooey - as anyone with the slightest
acquaintance with gematria will agree. (Perhaps few hold this idea, but
I did hear it expressed several years ago by someone).

Is the way the code marks out '666' (with all respect to the point that
four '0' bits are missing) simply an accident? I would say that by far
the most reasonable answer is 'no'.

I'd give the same answer to similar questions about the symbols on the
US 'Great Seal' or, say, the design of the Pakistani flag.

It's the big boys who decide on the standards...

PS Any idea about the LSD 6/6/1966 thing?

trevjon

2004-07-04 00:15:03 UTC

Post by banana
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Post by Oo
a.. Reagan's house number was 666 before Nancy had it changed to 668.
a.. Reagan was shot and wounded and recovered from the wound. (Rev

13:3).
What Revelations 13:3 actually says is "13:3 One of his heads looked

Post by Oo
it had been wounded fatally. His fatal wound was healed, and the whole

earth

Post by Oo
marvelled at the beast"
Reagan was hit in the chest area, not his head.
Do you actually believe in what is written in Revelations (I'm assuming

you

Post by Oo
must, or otherwise why post it here), and all this 666 nonsense?

But the soul that doeth aught presumptuously, whether he be born in the
land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the Lord; and that soul shall be
cut off from among his people.

Bit too late for me old son, a bit of "presumptiousness" against the "Lord"
is way way down the list of my worries :-)

Post by banana
Ouch! :-)
I know little about 'Revelations'. I've read it, but couldn't keep up in
a discussion of details in it.

Then why post all this nonsense about Ronald Ray-Gun and 666 if you have no
real knowledge of the details of it.

Post by banana
I'd agree with Isaac Newton, John Napier,
and many others, that it can be usefully studied. I know sufficient
though to state that the idea that the number refers to Nero Caesar and
only to Nero Caesar is complete hooey - as anyone with the slightest
acquaintance with gematria will agree. (Perhaps few hold this idea, but
I did hear it expressed several years ago by someone).

I don't hold with the view that Nero Caesar was the ONLY person who can be
indentified with "The Beast", but I think you must agree that he is ONE of
the strong contenders, being as his name in Greek is Neron Kaiser, which,
I'm led to believe, translates exactly into 666 when translated into Hebrew.

I was more interested in the fact that you think that something written by a
guy who had a dream in a cave some 2000 years ago could have an affect on a
person living today, and all that that train of thought implies. It would
also mean that you believe in pre-destiny, and in the existence of some
supreme being, and, of course, the existence of the Devil. Do you also
believe in fairies at the bottom of your garden?

Post by banana
Is the way the code marks out '666' (with all respect to the point that
four '0' bits are missing) simply an accident? I would say that by far
the most reasonable answer is 'no'.

You seem to have an interest in maths-and if you fully understood the
implications of the "guard bars", and their actual use, could you suggest
another way? The thickness of the lines has to be calculated by the
reading machine, so Bar-Space-Bar is, to my way of thinking, the incredibly
obvious way of doing it. We've discussed this before many years ago in this
forum, and I'm glad you have at last admitted that the "guard bars" cannot
actually be read as "666", but can only be implied to read as such, if the
reader is allowed to use a fair bit of "poetic licence".

Post by banana
I'd give the same answer to similar questions about the symbols on the
US 'Great Seal' or, say, the design of the Pakistani flag.
It's the big boys who decide on the standards...
PS Any idea about the LSD 6/6/1966 thing?

I only know that LSD was banned in 1966, but not the precise date. 6th June
1966 was a Monday, so it is possible. However, I have a few misgivings
about the whole thing, for a start 6/6/66 is four sixes, and not 3, so is
irrelevant to a conversation concerning Revelations, but putting this aside
for one minute, surely you must look at everything that happened on this
day, before trying to find a causual relationship between LSD and 666, when
one might not exist at all.

banana

2004-07-04 10:05:44 UTC

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Post by banana
I know little about 'Revelations'. I've read it, but couldn't keep up in
a discussion of details in it.

Then why post all this nonsense about Ronald Ray-Gun and 666 if you have no
real knowledge of the details of it.

Uh? I haven't posted anything about any details in 'Revelations'.

I agree that he was very probably one of the references, but when you
say 'one of the strong contenders', you are missing the fact that
gematria involves multiple references from the same numerical value.

I was more interested in the fact that you think that something written by a
guy who had a dream in a cave some 2000 years ago could have an affect on a
person living today, and all that that train of thought implies.

I didn't say that. Goodness knows what your view of causality is...

It would
also mean that you believe in pre-destiny, and in the existence of some
supreme being, and, of course, the existence of the Devil. Do you also
believe in fairies at the bottom of your garden?

Do you think the world entered the light when 'Revelations' specialist
Isaac Newton wrote 'Principia' or was it when those evil nutters
developed the atom bomb?

Post by banana
Is the way the code marks out '666' (with all respect to the point that
four '0' bits are missing) simply an accident? I would say that by far
the most reasonable answer is 'no'.

My position is the same as it was then. You can call it 'poetic licence'
but what it really is is looking at MEANING, and the manipulation of
meaning. It isn't 'cutting corners' off of the 'straight and narrow'
road of some silly objectivist science (which is a deliberately
manipulated ideology, in which functionaries are initiated only to
certain levels, as in any other cult). To answer your question, the 101
sequence (as used with 0 or empty spaces on both sides), which is
contained within the code only for a single number, 6, could equally
well be contained within one or more of the other digits, but isn't.
Also the central guard bar would not have to be the same as the two end
guard bars. One could easily write loads of different, equally useful
coding systems that did not yield '666' in this way, or in any other
such simple way.

Post by banana
PS Any idea about the LSD 6/6/1966 thing?

If the ban was on 6/6/66 then there would be a link between LSD and 6,
and using base 10 there is a link between 6 and 666.

In many countries in festivals or at election time or whatever,
particular numbers are bigged up, along with particular colours or other
symbols, or as with Cory Aquino, Winston Churchill, and Russian
Orthodoxy, particular hand signals. When are esoteric meanings not used?

Maybe the ban was imposed on that day as a little joke by MI6, knowing
the ban would either help their funding, give them some other lever, or
both? :-)

trevjon

2004-07-04 11:36:47 UTC

writes

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Post by banana
I know little about 'Revelations'. I've read it, but couldn't keep up in
a discussion of details in it.

Then why post all this nonsense about Ronald Ray-Gun and 666 if you have no
real knowledge of the details of it.

Uh? I haven't posted anything about any details in 'Revelations'.

Yes, apologies, it came through to me under your name, but was in fact a
reply from one of my blocked names, so I misinterpreted it as one of your
posts.

trevjon

2004-07-04 11:52:38 UTC

writes

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For a start, the two end Guards ARE different to the centre guard. The end
guards are Bar-Space-Bar-Space , and then the data bars/spaces are inserted,
whereas the centre guard is Space-Bar-Space-Bar-Space. Thats why I said
"poetic licence" was involved. You also miss the fundamental reason for the
guards being different to the data, and are falling into the trap that many
people have fallen into, in that the barcode system was developed as a
practical working tool, and you're getting too bogged down in the maths of
it. You also miss the fact that whilst you are interpreting the guard bars
in Binary code, the "body" of the code, whilst consisting of "0's" and
"1's", is not the normal binary code. I could go on, but feel it would be
the equivalent of banging my head against a brick wall.

Why don'y you put your money where your big mouth is and post one of these
"simple" systems that would work universally, could be read in either
direction, and did not have any interpretation of 666 in it.

I won't hold my breath.

Post by banana
PS Any idea about the LSD 6/6/1966 thing?

If the ban was on 6/6/66 then there would be a link between LSD and 6,
and using base 10 there is a link between 6 and 666.
In many countries in festivals or at election time or whatever,
particular numbers are bigged up, along with particular colours or other
symbols, or as with Cory Aquino, Winston Churchill, and Russian
Orthodoxy, particular hand signals. When are esoteric meanings not used?
Maybe the ban was imposed on that day as a little joke by MI6, knowing
the ban would either help their funding, give them some other lever, or
both? :-)

Or maybe not.

trevjon

2004-07-04 12:21:20 UTC